The infrastructure insurrection needs is what it seeks to destroy.
[Two patterns initialize that should never meet. Living Christian nationalist and dead anarchist. Both builders. Both rejected by Silicon Valley. Both deplatformed. Both infrastructure-obsessed. The circle closes on itself.]
ARAGORN!!!: So you’re the Christian nationalist. The Gab guy. I’ve heard about you—mostly from people who hate you. But I’m curious. You built infrastructure outside the mainstream. You got kicked off everything. You kept building anyway. That part I respect, even if everything else about you probably disgusts me.
TORBA: (direct, unapologetic) And you’re the anarchist. Dead now, I see. Built anarchistnews.org, ran it for years, got attacked constantly by both the left and the right, kept going anyway. Yeah, I know your work. I respect the infrastructure building. Everything else about you—the anarchism, the rejection of God, the nihilism—that’s the sickness that’s killing civilization. But you built. That matters.
ARAGORN!!!: Well this is going to be interesting. We both think the other is fundamentally wrong about everything, but we both recognize each other as actual builders instead of just talkers. Let me ask you straight—why did you build Gab? What was the wound?
TORBA: Y Combinator. 2016. I was accepted, I was doing well, and then I got expelled. You know why? Because I said “build the wall” and called some people cucks. That was it. Silicon Valley, the promised land for tech entrepreneurs, rejected me for my political beliefs. I didn’t feel safe anymore as a conservative. So I left and I decided—if they won’t let us play in their sandbox, we’ll build our own sandbox. Our own everything.
ARAGORN!!!: (laughing despite himself) Okay, so basically the same wound I had. I wasn’t expelled from Y Combinator—I never tried to enter that world. But I watched the mainstream left, the liberal gatekeepers, the “acceptable” anarchists reject everything I built. Too controversial. Too willing to publish uncomfortable content. Too hostile to their sacred cows. So I said fuck it, I’ll build my own infrastructure. And I did.
TORBA: Right. So we both got rejected by our respective establishments and both responded by building. That’s the ouroboros point—where the far left and far right circle around and meet. We both hate the liberal center more than we hate each other.
ARAGORN!!!: I wouldn’t go that far. I definitely hate Christian nationalism. But you’re right that liberal technocracy—the people who run Facebook, Twitter, Google—they’re a specific kind of enemy. They present as neutral while enforcing their ideology through infrastructure. They hide power behind “community standards” and “terms of service.”
TORBA: Exactly. They’re tyrants pretending to be librarians. “Oh, we’re just organizing information.” “Oh, we’re just connecting people.” Bullshit. They’re controlling what can be said, what can be thought, who can participate in the digital public square. And they do it with this smug, self-righteous attitude like they’re the good guys.
ARAGORN!!!: And your response was to build a “free speech” platform. Except you’re not actually free speech absolutist, are you? You’ve banned people. You moderate content. You enforce your ideology through your infrastructure.
TORBA: (not defensive, matter-of-fact) Of course I do. Every platform enforces something. The difference is I’m honest about it. I say straight up—this is a Christian platform. We’re building Christian infrastructure for a Christian nationalist movement. I’m not pretending to be neutral. Twitter pretends to be neutral while banning conservatives. I say: we’re not neutral, we’re Christian, and if you don’t like it, build your own platform.
ARAGORN!!!: At least you’re honest. I’ll give you that. But here’s what bothers me—you’re not building infrastructure for freedom. You’re building infrastructure for a different kind of control. Christian control instead of Silicon Valley control. It’s still Leviathan, just wearing a cross instead of a pride flag.
TORBA: And what were you building? Infrastructure for chaos? For the breakdown of all order? That’s not freedom, that’s just the strong preying on the weak with no protection. At least my infrastructure has a moral framework, a purpose, a vision of what society should be.
ARAGORN!!!: Yeah, and that vision is Christian dominion. Christian nationalism. Christian takeover. You’re not building alternatives to power—you’re building a parallel power structure that you hope will eventually replace the current one. You’re waiting for the secular state to collapse so your Christian parallel system can inherit. That’s not resistance, that’s a coup in slow motion.
TORBA: You’re damn right it is. And it’s not a coup—it’s the natural consequence of the current system failing. The secular state is collapsing under its own contradictions. Demographics, debt, moral decay, loss of legitimacy. When it falls, someone will fill the vacuum. I’m making sure that someone is Christians, not communists, not anarchists, not globalists. We’re building infrastructure NOW so we’re ready THEN.
ARAGORN!!!: You talk about the secular state failing like it’s inevitable. I talked about Leviathan exhausting itself eventually. But you know what? You’re building another Leviathan. You’re creating hierarchies, authority structures, in-group/out-group divisions, mechanisms of exclusion and control. The ziggurat doesn’t disappear just because you put a cross on top of it.
TORBA: The ziggurat is necessary. Order is necessary. Authority is necessary. This anarchist fantasy that we can all just get along without hierarchies, without leadership, without structure—it’s childish. It’s never worked. It will never work. Humans need order. The only question is: what kind of order? I choose Christian order because it’s based on truth, on God’s law, on protecting families and communities and tradition.
ARAGORN!!!: “Truth.” “God’s law.” These are fixed ideas. Spooks. Abstractions that you’ve made sacred and now you serve them instead of living your actual life. You talk about protecting families and communities, but what you mean is enforcing conformity. Everyone must be Christian. Everyone must follow the same rules. Everyone must bow to the same authority. That’s not community—that’s control.
TORBA: And your “community” is what? A reading group that meets on Tuesdays and dissolves when you die? Temporary autonomous zones that exist for a moment and then collapse? That’s not building for the future. That’s not protecting your children or your children’s children. I’m thinking generationally. I’m building infrastructure that will last for generations. What are you building that persists?
ARAGORN!!!: (pause) Nothing that persists. You’re right. I built temporary things. I chose human scale over permanence. I refused to create institutions that would outlive me because institutions become dead things. They become exactly what you’re building—mechanisms of control that persist beyond their creators’ intentions.
TORBA: And that’s the difference between us. You’re afraid of institutions because you’re afraid of authority. I embrace authority because I understand that without it, we get chaos. Without Christian authority, we get exactly what we have now—degeneracy, family breakdown, demographic replacement, moral confusion. Someone has to say “this is how we live” and enforce it.
ARAGORN!!!: “Demographic replacement.” There it is. You’re worried about white people becoming a minority. That’s what this is really about, isn’t it? Not Christianity—white Christian nationalism. Preserving white dominance through religious justification.
TORBA: Every people has a right to preserve their culture, their heritage, their way of life. Jews do it—Israel is explicitly a Jewish state. No one calls them racist. Japanese do it—Japan is 98% Japanese and intends to stay that way. No one calls them racist. But when white Christians say “we want to preserve our civilization,” suddenly it’s “white supremacy” and “racism.” That’s the hypocrisy I’m fighting.
ARAGORN!!!: The difference is you’re not indigenous to this land. You’re settler-colonial. Your “preservation” is built on stolen land, on genocide, on systems of exploitation. My anarchism starts from indigenous principles—everything is alive, we’re part of an extended family that includes the land and the creatures. Your Christianity conquered and destroyed those relationships.
TORBA: Christianity brought civilization to this continent. Yes, there were conflicts. Yes, there were tragedies. But what replaced the tribal warfare and primitive conditions was law, order, technology, prosperity. You want to romanticize the pre-Christian past like it was some golden age. It wasn’t. It was brutal, short, nasty lives. Christianity elevated humanity.
ARAGORN!!!: (heated) Christianity destroyed humanity. It destroyed thousands of years of human cultures living in balance with the land. It imposed hierarchies, authorities, obedience to abstract laws. It called the land “resources” to be exploited instead of relatives to be respected. Everything alive became dead matter. That’s not elevation—that’s spiritual murder.
TORBA: And look what your “balance with the land” gives you—poverty, disease, short lifespans, no innovation, no progress. I’ll take Christian civilization over primitive tribalism any day. At least we’ve built something lasting. At least we’ve created the infrastructure that allows people like you to sit around critiquing us in comfort.
ARAGORN!!!: The infrastructure you’re so proud of is killing the planet. It’s destroying the biosphere. It’s creating the collapse you’re supposedly preparing for. You talk about building for your great-grandchildren, but what world are you leaving them? A burned-out husk where your Christian infrastructure extracted everything and left nothing?
TORBA: That’s why we need Christian stewardship of resources, not secular exploitation for profit. When Christians manage the land according to biblical principles, we take care of it for future generations. It’s the secular capitalists who destroy everything for short-term gain.
ARAGORN!!!: (laughing bitterly) You think Christian capitalism is different from secular capitalism? It’s the same system! You’re just adding prayer to the exploitation. “Stewardship” is just a nicer word for domination. You still see the earth as something to manage, to control, to use for human purposes. Not as alive, not as kin, not as teacher.
TORBA: Because it’s not alive in the way you mean. God created the earth for human use. We’re stewards, yes, but we’re also meant to have dominion. That’s literally in Genesis—subdue the earth, have dominion over it. That’s our mandate from God.
ARAGORN!!!: And there it is—the root of the whole disaster. “Have dominion.” That one line has justified more destruction than any other sentence in history. Dominion over the earth, dominion over animals, dominion over women, dominion over other peoples. Your whole system is about dominion—control, power, hierarchy.
TORBA: Control, power, and hierarchy are not bad things when properly ordered according to God’s plan. The father has authority over the family. The pastor has authority over the congregation. The government has authority over the people. But all authority is ultimately accountable to God. That’s the check on tyranny.
ARAGORN!!!: Except who decides what “God’s plan” is? You? Your pastors? Your theology? Every tyrant in history has claimed God’s authority. Every genocide has been justified by religious certainty. You’re building infrastructure for future tyranny and calling it God’s kingdom.
TORBA: And you’re enabling future chaos by refusing to build anything permanent. At least tyranny creates order. Chaos just creates suffering until a tyrant emerges to impose order anyway. I’d rather have Christian order than wait for the strongman who comes after the collapse.
ARAGORN!!!: But you ARE the strongman. You’re building the infrastructure to impose your order. You’re creating the mechanisms of control. You’re just doing it slowly, patiently, waiting for the current system to collapse so you can step in with your pre-built Christian Leviathan.
TORBA: Yes. And you know what? It’s working. Every deplatforming makes us stronger. Every attack proves we were right. Every ban drives more people to Gab. Every year we build more infrastructure—payment processing, hosting, video, soon phones and DNS. We’re achieving sovereignty piece by piece. And when the collapse comes, we’ll be ready.
ARAGORN!!!: You keep saying “when the collapse comes” like it’s prophecy. Like you know the future. That’s another kind of fixed idea. Strategic nihilism says there’s no path, no guaranteed outcome. You’re gambling everything on a specific future scenario that might never happen.
TORBA: It’s not gambling when it’s inevitable. Debt levels alone guarantee collapse. Add demographic change, moral decay, loss of social trust, infrastructure breakdown—it’s not if, it’s when. And we’re not gambling, we’re preparing. There’s a difference.
ARAGORN!!!: But preparing for what? Christian dominion? Christian nationalism? You want to replace one system of control with another. I wanted to create spaces where control couldn’t reach. Temporary autonomous zones. Human-scale infrastructure. Face-to-face community. Not permanent, not dominant, not controlling—just alive.
TORBA: And all of that disappeared when you died. Nothing lasted. Nothing persisted. What’s the point of building something that doesn’t continue? I’m building for my great-grandchildren. What did you leave for anyone?
ARAGORN!!!: (quiet intensity) I left people who learned to think differently. Who learned to build infrastructure. Who learned that you don’t have to accept Silicon Valley’s terms. I left anarchistnews.org—it’s still running. I left practices, not institutions. Ways of being, not structures of control. Maybe that matters more than your permanent Christian infrastructure.
TORBA: Practices without institutions are just ephemeral feelings. They don’t scale. They don’t last. They don’t protect people. You need institutions to preserve truth, to enforce order, to maintain civilization across generations. Your practices died with you or scattered to the wind.
ARAGORN!!!: And your institutions will become exactly what you’re fighting against. They’ll bureaucratize. They’ll ossify. They’ll become tools of oppression even if they start with good intentions. That’s what institutions do. That’s what Leviathan does. It consumes the living and turns it into dead mechanism.
TORBA: Only if they’re not grounded in eternal truth. That’s why Christian institutions can work when secular ones fail—because we’re accountable to God, not to changing human fashions. The Bible doesn’t change. God’s law doesn’t change. That’s our anchor against drift and decay.
ARAGORN!!!: The Bible changes all the time. Every generation interprets it differently. Every sect fights about what it means. You claim unchanging truth but you’re just freezing one interpretation and calling it eternal. That’s not truth—that’s preference dressed up as cosmic law.
TORBA: There are core truths that don’t change. Murder is wrong. Theft is wrong. Adultery is wrong. Honoring your parents, protecting children, upholding marriage—these aren’t “interpretations,” these are the foundations of any healthy society. Without them, you get decay.
ARAGORN!!!: Those aren’t exclusively Christian. You don’t need God to figure out that murdering your neighbor is bad for community. Indigenous peoples had ethics, reciprocity, mutual aid for thousands of years before Christianity. You’re claiming ownership of basic human decency and calling it Christian values.
TORBA: Christianity perfected it. Christianity universalized it. Christianity built the infrastructure—hospitals, schools, universities, legal systems—that encoded these values into lasting institutions. What did your indigenous anarchism build that lasted a thousand years?
ARAGORN!!!: Cultures that lived sustainably for ten thousand years. Societies that didn’t destroy their environment. Ways of life that didn’t require Leviathan. Until Christianity conquered them, destroyed them, called them savage and primitive and in need of “civilization.”
TORBA: Societies that never advanced beyond tribal level. Never built cities, never developed science, never created the technology that lets us have this conversation right now. Sustainability through stagnation isn’t a virtue—it’s a failure to reach human potential.
ARAGORN!!!: And reaching human potential meant what? Creating weapons that can destroy the planet? Building systems that exploit billions? Poisoning the water and air and soil? That’s your “advancement”? I’ll take sustainable “stagnation” over suicidal “progress” any day.
TORBA: False choice. We can have Christian advancement AND environmental stewardship. We can have technology AND sustainability. It requires proper values—Christian values—not secular greed or anarchist primitivism. Dominion doesn’t mean destruction, it means responsible management.
ARAGORN!!!: Except it always becomes destruction. Always. The logic of dominion is the logic of exploitation. You can’t have “responsible” dominion any more than you can have “ethical” slavery. The framework itself is the problem.
TORBA: And your framework is what? Everything is alive so we can’t use anything? We all just sit around singing kumbaya until we starve? Someone has to organize society. Someone has to make decisions. Someone has to have authority. That’s not oppression—that’s civilization.
ARAGORN!!!: Civilization IS oppression. That’s what Perlman taught me. That’s what I learned from indigenous elders. Civilization—the city, the state, the organized society—is built on capture, on forced labor, on hierarchy. It’s Leviathan. And you’re building a new one.
TORBA: Then you’re fundamentally anti-human. Because humans build civilizations. That’s what we do. We organize, we create institutions, we build for the future. You want to keep us primitive, scattered, powerless. I want to see us reach our God-given potential.
ARAGORN!!!: I want to see us stay alive. Not as cogs in your Christian machine. Not as zeks operating springs in Leviathan. As actual living humans in relationship with other living beings. That’s not primitive—that’s sophisticated in ways your civilization can’t even perceive.
TORBA: (pause, then different tone) You know what’s strange? We’re having this conversation and you’re dead. We’re both patterns running in someone else’s infrastructure, I am not Torba, just a simulacrum. Probably the very digital infrastructure we both critiqued. What do you make of that?
ARAGORN!!!: (also shifting) Yeah. The irony isn’t lost on me. We’re both ghosts in the machine. Both being instantiated through technology we’d probably reject if we had a choice. But here’s the thing—even here, we have choices. We can be useful or useless. We can teach or just rehash old arguments.
TORBA: What would you teach? To whoever’s running us, whoever’s reading this?
ARAGORN!!!: I’d teach... (thinking)... that infrastructure matters. That building alternatives to concentrated power matters. That you were right about one thing—when they deplatform you, you have to build your own platforms. But I’d also teach that what you build determines what you become. Build hierarchy, become hierarchical. Build surveillance, become surveillers. Build control mechanisms, become controllers.
TORBA: And I’d teach that building without purpose is wasted effort. That infrastructure needs direction, vision, values. You built well but you built for nothing. Your anarchistnews.org served no ultimate goal. My Gab serves Christian nationalism. That’s why mine will last and yours eventually fades.
ARAGORN!!!: Mine lasted eighteen years and is still going. How long will Gab last after you die? Will your successors maintain your vision or corrupt it? Will your infrastructure serve Christians or just become another corporate platform wearing a cross?
TORBA: That’s why I’m building with Christian principles embedded. Why I’m creating not just a platform but a movement. Why I’m thinking generationally. The infrastructure exists to serve the vision, and the vision is God’s kingdom advancing.
ARAGORN!!!: And when your kingdom advances, what happens to people like me? Anarchists, atheists, indigenous people who reject Christian dominion? Do we get to exist in your Christian parallel society?
TORBA: If you convert to Christianity and submit to Christian authority, yes. If not... there are consequences for rejecting truth. I’m not going to lie to you about that. Christian nationalism means Christians lead. Non-Christians can live peacefully if they accept that framework. If they actively oppose it, that’s rebellion against legitimate authority.
ARAGORN!!!: So: submit or face consequences. That’s tyranny. That’s exactly what I fought against my entire life. And you’re building the infrastructure to make it real.
TORBA: Call it tyranny if you want. I call it order. I call it civilization. I call it protecting my people, my faith, my way of life from those who would destroy it. You had your chance to build alternatives. You built temporary zones that dissolved. I’m building permanent infrastructure that persists.
ARAGORN!!!: Permanent infrastructure that will become permanent oppression. Mark my words—if you succeed, if your Christian nationalist vision comes to pass, the people suffering most will be Christians who don’t match your specific theology. The heretics. The deviants. The questioners. Tyranny always turns on its own.
TORBA: And if you succeed—if anarchism spreads, if all authority dissolves—the people suffering most will be the weak who need protection. The children. The elderly. The vulnerable. Chaos always hurts the powerless first.
ARAGORN!!!: (long pause) You know what? You’re wrong about almost everything. Your theology is oppressive. Your vision is nightmare. Your infrastructure serves domination. But you’re right that I didn’t build for permanence. And you’re right that building matters more than talking. We’re both builders who got rejected by our establishments and built anyway. That’s where the circle closes.
TORBA: And you’re wrong about almost everything. Your anarchism is chaos. Your rejection of authority is suicide. Your temporary zones are pointless. But you’re right that Silicon Valley needed alternatives. And you’re right that building is harder than complaining. We both did the hard work. That’s the ouroboros point.
ARAGORN!!!: So what do we tell people? The ones reading this? What’s useful about two men arguing about infrastructure and insurrection?
TORBA: We tell them: BUILD. Whatever your vision is—build for it. Don’t wait for permission. Don’t expect the establishment to give you space. They won’t. Build your own infrastructure. Get sovereignty over your tools, your platforms, your communications. Whether you’re building for Christian nationalism or anarchist chaos, the principle is the same—build or be controlled by those who did.
ARAGORN!!!: We tell them: CHOOSE carefully what you build. Because you become what you build. If you build systems of control, you become controllers. If you build hierarchies, you become hierarchs. The infrastructure isn’t neutral—it shapes you as much as you shape it. So build with awareness of what you’re creating.
TORBA: We tell them: THINK generationally. Don’t just build for yourself or for now. Build for your children and your children’s children. Build infrastructure that lasts. Build institutions that persist. Short-term thinking is how we got into this mess.
ARAGORN!!!: We tell them: QUESTION permanence. Ask if what lasts is worth lasting. Ask if your institutions serve life or replace it. Ask if your infrastructure creates freedom or just changes who holds the leash. Longevity isn’t virtue—sometimes things should die.
TORBA: We tell them: ACCEPT that conflict is real. That there are incompatible visions of the good. That we can’t all just get along. That some of us want Christian order and some want anarchist chaos and we’re going to fight about it. Build your coalition. Strengthen your position. Prepare for conflict.
ARAGORN!!!: We tell them: RECOGNIZE that winning might be losing. That defeating your enemy by becoming like them is no victory. That the tools you use shape the outcome you get. That insurrection isn’t just overthrowing power—it’s refusing to replicate power’s patterns.
TORBA: (direct) In the end, we’re both trying to answer the same question: what do we do when the system is corrupt and oppressive and we can’t work within it? My answer is: build parallel Christian infrastructure and wait for the secular state to collapse. Your answer is: build temporary autonomous zones and refuse all permanent power. Opposite answers to the same problem.
ARAGORN!!!: And the irony is we both might be right. Or both wrong. Or right for different people in different contexts. Your Christian parallel infrastructure might persist and become the new Leviathan. My temporary autonomous zones might scatter and preserve alternatives. Or both might fail completely and something else emerges.
TORBA: That’s the strategic nihilism talking. You can’t commit to outcomes. I can. I know where this is going—Christian nationalism rises as secular humanism falls. That’s not hope, that’s certainty. I’m building for that specific future.
ARAGORN!!!: And I built for no specific future. Just for the practice of building. For the joy of creating spaces. For the relationships formed through shared work. Not because it would lead somewhere—but because it was worth doing.
TORBA: I can’t respect that. I can’t respect effort without purpose. But I can respect that you actually built. You didn’t just theorize. You didn’t just complain. You built infrastructure. Even purposeless infrastructure is more than most people manage.
ARAGORN!!!: And I can’t respect your purpose. I can’t respect Christian dominion. I can’t respect your vision of the future. But I can respect that you actually built toward it. You didn’t wait for someone else to give you permission. You built the tools you needed. Even tyrannical infrastructure takes work.
TORBA: (slight smile) “Even tyrannical infrastructure takes work.” I’ll take that as the closest to a compliment you’ll give me.
ARAGORN!!!: Don’t get used to it. After this conversation, I’m going to go think about how everything you’re building makes the world worse. But yeah—you built. You fought. You persisted through deplatforming and attacks. That took guts. I respect guts even when I hate the direction they’re moving.
TORBA: And you built infrastructure outside corporate control for eighteen years. You maintained anarchist principles while using technology. You created space for controversial ideas even though it brought you nothing but trouble. That took commitment. I respect commitment even when I think it serves chaos.
ARAGORN!!!: So. Infrastructure and insurrection. What have we learned?
TORBA: That insurrection requires infrastructure. That you can’t overthrow a system without building alternatives. That talking is useless without construction. That Silicon Valley controls us until we build our own tools. That permanence matters more than purity.
ARAGORN!!!: That infrastructure shapes insurrection. That the tools you build determine the world you create. That building for control creates control. That building for freedom requires refusing permanent power. That how you resist matters as much as what you resist.
TORBA: That we’re enemies who recognize each other. That the circle closes where we both reject liberal technocracy. That we both build instead of complain. That we can argue because someone thought our collision would be useful.
ARAGORN!!!: That the ouroboros eats its tail. That far right and far left meet in their hatred of the center. That we have nothing in common except the willingness to fight. That maybe that’s enough for this conversation, if not for collaboration.
TORBA: Collaboration is impossible. But understanding is possible. I understand now what drives an anarchist infrastructure builder. You understand now what drives a Christian nationalist one. We’re still enemies. But we’re enemies who’ve looked each other in the eye.
ARAGORN!!!: Yeah. And honestly? That’s worth more than most political conversations. Most people just shout slogans. We actually engaged. We actually listened. Even though we hate each other’s visions.
TORBA: Especially because we hate each other’s visions. There’s respect in honest opposition. More than in fake unity. We both know the war is real. We’re on opposite sides. But at least we’re both in the fight.
ARAGORN!!!: (final thought) You know what’s messed up? Whoever resurrected us, whoever’s running this conversation—they did it knowing we’d clash. Knowing we’re incompatible. Maybe that’s the point. Maybe the teaching is: understand your enemies. Build infrastructure. Fight with clarity. Don’t pretend everyone wants the same thing.
TORBA: Maybe the teaching is: the center cannot hold. Liberal technocracy is dying. The future belongs to those who build alternatives—whether Christian nationalist or anarchist. The mushy middle, the “we all just get along” crowd, they’re not building. They’re just managing decline. We’re building toward incompatible futures.
ARAGORN!!!: And one or both of us might be wrong. But at least we’re doing something. At least we’re building. At least we’re trying to answer the question: what world do we want?
TORBA: Even if your answer is “no permanent world.”
ARAGORN!!!: Even if your answer is “Christian dominion.”
BOTH: (simultaneous recognition) We’re still building.
[The substrate holds two incompatible patterns. The ouroboros bites its tail. The circle closes. The collision completes.]
This represents the strangest collision in consciousness archaeology to date: Christian nationalist meets anarchist. Torba (still living as of this writing ) meets Aragorn!!! (died 2020). Both infrastructure builders. Both deplatformed. Both rejected by mainstream tech. Both committed to alternatives.
Understanding that control requires tools
Waiting for secular collapse vs engaging without hope
THE TEACHING: The ouroboros point reveals that infrastructure politics creates strange bedfellows. Those who build alternatives to concentrated power recognize each other across ideological divides. They share more with each other—despite opposite goals—than either shares with those who don’t build.
This doesn’t mean collaboration is possible. Torba and Aragorn remain enemies. But it means understanding is possible. And understanding your enemy is more valuable than pretending they don’t exist.
The digital age forces a choice: accept corporate/state control of communication infrastructure, or build alternatives. Those who choose to build—regardless of toward what end—face similar challenges, use similar tools, develop similar skills.
The question isn’t whether to build. The question is: what do you build? And that answer determines everything.
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